Hordes and Heroes Multiple Combat and ZOC questions

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Hordes and Heroes Multiple Combat and ZOC questions

Post by dcoltman » Fri Dec 15, 2017 4:56 am

A buddy and I recently tried out these rules and quite liked them, but a few questions arise after a few games.

1) A unit of cavalry enters the a hex adjacent to two units of foot, one is in woods, the other in clear. The cavalry unit must attack since it entered a ZOC. Is it correct that the cavalry could choose to fight the unit in the clear 1:1 and ignore the unit in the woods? If it does and then wins, forcing the unit of foot to recoil or eliminate it, presumably in the following turn the remaining unit in the woods is obliged to attack out of the woods likely against the odds given fighting cavalry in the open (since it is defending an open hex, not attacking a woods hex, it would still count stands and impact), either that or retire from the woods out of ZOC? This seems just wrong, although I can't see another way to resolve it as the rules are written. It seems a cheeky way to dislodge foot from a strong defensive position. In this case the foot in woods would be better off without neighbours in the clear.

An alternative interpretation is that the defending unit in open could count the stands from the unit in woods as a multiple combat, but then would they not both suffer an adverse outcome making the situational outcome even more "wrong". This would allow the cavalry to effectively attack woods without penalty, again making the presence of neighbours a weak point rather than support.

I guess something that seems unclear is how multiple defending units are treated - so how to resolve things when an attacker enters the ZOC of two defenders who are otherwise unengaged.

2) Can a unit recoil into a friendly unit itself in an enemy ZOC that is not in combat, and force that unit to displace disordered? We presumed that the ZOC on the friendly unit hex prevents the recoil and the recoiler would be destroyed.


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Re: Hordes and Heroes Multiple Combat and ZOC questions

Post by Paul K » Sat Dec 16, 2017 4:51 pm

I trust the following should clarify the issues raised.

1) The unit of cavalry has chosen to enter the zone of control, and in doing so, attack both units of infantry. The cavalry unit can add any impact bonus entitlement because one of the two infantry units is in the open. The infantry can use the highest combat factor of the two, plus the total number of stands, which would be 8, presuming that the infantry are 2 units of 4 stands, plus any impact bonus for the infantry unit in the open.

Heavy cavalry B class: combat factor 5, impact bonus (+4) 4 stands. Total combat points = 13
Infantry unit 1 (in the woods) Militia c class: combat factor 2, 4 stands
Infantry unit 2 (in the open) Heavy infantry B class: combat factor 5, impact bonus (+1)
Total combat factor for both units = 5 (+1) + 8 = 14
Result after both sides roll 1D6 :

+3 to Heavy cavalry = B class infantry recoils 1 hex, C class Militia recoils 1 hex and becomes disrupted. The cavalry can choose to either follow-up the infantry in the open or follow the militia unit into the woodland hex. To follow-up the recoiling infantry unit in the open, would enable the cavalry to retain its impact bonus (+4), however, this would be lost if the cavalry unit decided to follow-up the militia into the woodland hex, and they would fight ‘as if disrupted’ by not being able to count their stands in the next Hand-to-hand combat phase.

+3 to the two infantry units = B class heavy cavalry recoil and lose impact bonus. Either of the two infantry then follows-up the recoiling cavalry and occupies the now vacant hex. The heavy infantry retains its (+1) impact bonus
In both of examples above if any of the recoiling units are unable to make a recoil move without entering the zone of control of an enemy unit they are removed from play.

2) Only friendly units not in hex-to-hex contact with an enemy unit i.e. not in the ZOC of any enemy units, can be pushed back one hex to make room for the recoiling unit. Any unit pushed back or displaced automatically becomes disrupted.

The issues which you have raised are clarified in the up-dated version of the Hordes & Heroes Medieval rules which we are preparing for release in early 2018 along with extended and revised army lists.
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Re: Hordes and Heroes Multiple Combat and ZOC questions

Post by dcoltman » Mon Dec 18, 2017 2:20 pm

That clarifies it - thanks!

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